Harvard professor Dr. John Mack gave a two-hour long presentation at the International UFO Congress in 2003 in Laughlin Nevada; the title of his talk was Transcending the Dualistic Mind. This is the audio lifted from a YouTube video of his presentation. Highly recommended.

Legendary Alien Abduction Researchers Budd Hopkins and John Mack, M.D. come together to discuss what they've learned from working with people who report the experience of being abducted by Aliens. Hopkins and Mack rarely appeared together in public forums, this is a rare and heart felt presentation. Originally taped in 1997.

This is an audio transfer from a you-tube video (below). The audio quality is pretty good considering the source, the actual content is excellent.

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Suzanne Gordon speaks about her research into the Near Death Experience (NDE) something she has experienced herself. 

During the interview she listed off some things reported as after effects to the NDE. Everything on this checklist closely matches what is being reported by people who claim UFO abductions, enough so that I realized I needed to talk with her. She even described these folks as suffering from the trauma of enlightenment, that was something that really hit home for me.

The audio posted here wasn’t meant to be a public podcast, it was just our initial hello after exchanging a few emails. By the end of two hours we both realized that we had achieved something really powerful. I am amazed at how deep we managed to dig during our conversation and I am so glad I recorded it.

During our conversation she uses an acronym I had never heard before, but I like a lot. She referred to STEs (Spiritually Transformative Experiences). 

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